DNA 40

[EMTA 269]

Siit saab traati suht mõttetu raha eest. Ma endale ostsin kunagi sealt terve nende valiku. 

 

 http://www.vape-atomizer-mesh.com/products/NiCr-and-Silver-Wire.html

[manjana 31]

preorder: http://www.bargainvapour.com/Evolv_DNA_40_pre-order!/p1274299_13104783.aspx

 

edit: heameel näha et ka siin juba müügis. kaugelt pole vaja otsida

[old 919]

Vabandust, et inglise keeles aga oluline info:

James M (FB kasutaja), This is a repost of some information you may find informative.

Hi, Off the back of your announcement today of the new DNA 40 board and it's ability to control the temperature of a nickel coil, there has been much concern on vaping forums about the use of nickel wire as a coil. Here is an exert of some of the comments: "Bad, bad idea. Look up the toxicology of nickel and ask if you want to heat that and inhale the result. I won't. " "Nickel is relatively chemically unreactive to some things, but not to others. It reacts very rapidly with carbon monoxide. And nickel carbonyl is really evil crap. And heating any organic flavour is going to resul in some carbon monoxide production. " "So in your opinion using nickel or nichrome as heating wire for vaping is dangerous? I don't know enough about it to judge if you're right or wrong. I hope you're wrong because I think this about to be the next big thing in vaping. This technology is going to start popping up in mass market devices very soon and some premade atties are going to come with nickel rather than nichrome. " Are you able to allay any of these concerns over using nickel wire? Is there a specific type or grade of nickel we use? Does nickel wire pose any more harm than Kanthal A1? Kind regards

 

Our (Evolv) response:
We agree Nickel Carbonyl is truly evil crap. Fortunately, there isn't any here.
Point 1: We aren't generating carbon monoxide. The whole point of temperature protection is to, well, protect from elevated temperatures. Heating doesn't generate carbon monoxide. You have to be getting combustion or pyrolysis. And you have to be combusting in a fuel-rich (less oxygen that stoichiometric) environment. Like a cigarette. We never get anywhere near combustion temperature, and even if we did (say, one turned the temperature limit up to 2000 degrees) the environment in an atomizer is oxygen rich, not fuel rich. So you would get carbon dioxide, not monoxide. To get pyrolytic decomposition of the fluid into carbon monoxide and hydrogen, we would want a coil temperature of about 1500F and you'd need to have it sealed off from air completely.
Point 2: If this was a problem, we would have already seen it. The Mond process you describe (nickel ore to nickel carbonyl to nickel metal) is how one refines nickel from ore. The commercial coils are already 80% nickel and run at higher temperatures when they dry out. If we were getting nickel carbonyl production, that would refine the nickel out and we would end up with a porous wire with only 20% chromium left. That's not what happens.
Point 3: Given that all the real research, vapor analysis and long term studies that have been done to this point have been done with commercial cigalikes, all of which use nichrome coils (80% nickel and not at all protected from overheating) if there was a substance as toxic as nickel carbonyl in the vapor, the anti-ecig forces would be screaming that from every rooftop. Nobody has found any, even in devices that aren't temperature controlled. One study did find some metallic nickel and metallic chromium from pitting in the vapor steam, so they were obviously looking for metallic compounds.
I'm attaching the Goniewicz research paper which is one often cited by those on both sides of the e-cigarette safety debate. The study looked at products using nichrome heating coils. And yes, they measured nickel. The study also looked for carbon monoxide in the vapor stream and found none. Zero. The following excerpt is from the study:
"The amounts of toxic metals and aldehydes in e-cigarettes are trace amounts and are comparable with amounts contained in an examined therapeutic product."
Dr. Michael Siegel said of the Goniewicz paper:
"The most important finding in this study (that the authors failed to acknowledge) was that all of the trace levels of metals they found in e-cigarette aerosol were within permissible exposure limits for FDA approved inhalable drugs and devices (e.g. nicotine inhaler, asthma inhalers) per Pharmacopeial Convention."
Basically it boils down to anything a Nickel 200 coil would do, a nichrome coil would already be doing (and worse due to higher temperatures) and nichrome coils are the only ones that have been studied in any meaningful detail by the real scientists, labs and MDs.
What Kanthal is or is not doing, we cannot say as we haven't really studied it.
What is a problem with the commercially available nickel 200 wire is they use a particularly nasty tasting oil in the drawing process. So if you roll a new coil without degreasing the wire first, you initially get a nasty taste from that oil. A good washing with acetone or simple green, followed by rinsing in water, solves that problem. But that is something to point out if people are reporting weird chemical tastes when they first try it.
Thanks,
Brandon
Evolv, LLC

See on küll The Squape Reloaded ülevaade ... AGA näitab ka DNA40 peale nickle traadiga tehtud coili ... ehitust ja tulemust. 

 

[Maitsev Aur 321]

Ise mõtlesin ka sellele nikli asjale aga tundub, et kõik on korras.

[Spezz 467]

 

Koeln, Germany

 

15/10/2014

 

10:14

 

Kättetoimetamine hilineb lennu hilinemise tõttu. Korrigeerime oma plaane, et toimetada pakk kohale võimalikult kiiresti.

 

[Spezz 467]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/102699037/2014-10-16%2011.24.19.jpg

[jeesus188 438]

Aikaramba 

[walc 276]

http://www.vaporshark.com/rdna

150eur + transport + maksud ilmselt.

 

Kas Eestis oleks huvilisi sellele seadmele? Lisa 25 dollari ehk 20eur eest võimalik wireless laadimine. 

Mina oleks küll huviline. Ehitaks doublebarreli otsa ja kõrvetaks vatti korralikult.

[Spezz 467]

Tellin millalgi sealt järgmise portsu kaupa jah, hind peaks tulema suht samasse kanti, mis eelmisel korral ehk ~182€ tk

[rauntsik 3]

Tellin millalgi sealt järgmise portsu kaupa jah, hind peaks tulema suht samasse kanti, mis eelmisel korral ehk ~182€ tk

Anna teada, sooviks sharkskinni oma rDNAle  

[Spezz 467]

Pane värv PS'i mulle

[jeesus188 438]

Kui ma deltat kasutan, siis on see aparaat mulle suht kasutu? 

[Spezz 467]

Seni jah, kuni deltale nikkelcoile hakkab tulema.

[Erki Paet 9]

Kas neid nikkel traati on erinevaid, märkasin digitalsteam lehel ka nichrome traati. See sama moodi mürgine kui liiga kuumaks läheb?

[old 919]

Kas neid nikkel traati on erinevaid, märkasin digitalsteam lehel ka nichrome traati. See sama moodi mürgine kui liiga kuumaks läheb?

 

Niipalju kui mina olen aru saanud on kõik nikel traadid mürgised kui neid väga kõrge temperatuurini kuumutuda. DNA40 aga ei kuumuta üle ~600-650F ... selles ongi kogu asja idee. See kas  digitalsteam lehel on sama traat või mitte seda ma ei tea ... Spezz otsis välja TÄPSELT selle traadi mida evolv soovitab.

[Spezz 467]

NiChrome ei sobi. Peab olema puhas Ni200 Nikkel: http://spezz.ee/et/iseehitajale/309-pure-nickel-wire-032mm-ni200.html

[jeesus188 438]

Keegi ka valmis coile sellest traadist on treinud/treimas?

[matakass 29]

kel 40 juba taskus võiks nats muljetada ka  kuidas on ? Kas erinevus on suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur

[Spezz 467]

On taskus, erinevus on suuuuuuuuuuuur. A ma parem jätan müüjana detailsema kiitmise klientide teha. Suurem kiitmislaine saabub ilmselt peale rDNA40 saabumist nädala jooksul.

[Maku 24]

Testin ka hetkel (40w/11keerdu/2,6mm varda otsa 0,32-st ni200 traadiga/0,11Ω) ja täiesti midagi muud, kui tavaline kanthal. Maitset tundub, tiba rohkem ja võimalik, et isegi auru. Raske võrrelda hetkel, kui ei ole samaväärset kanthali buildi kõrval. Aur on jahedam ja järjest või siis pikemalt tõmbamine on meeldivam, kui kogu süsteem ei kuumene nii kiirelt, nagu kanthaliga. Miinuseks on coili keeramine, mis on veidi keerulisem nikliga.

[manjana 31]

Mis riista sisse coili keerasid?

Kas pilti saaks plz

[Maku 24]

Hana boksis dna40 kiip ja hetkel mahl sees, kui tühjaks saab ja meeles on siis teen pildi

Karp selline:

[manjana 31]

NB! titaan coilid!

[Kirp 23]

NB! titaan coilid!

neid saab ka DNA40-ga kasutada?

[Spezz 467]

neid saab ka DNA40-ga kasutada?

Jah aga mitte temperatuurikontrolliga modes.